Dec 052009
I usually don’t upload other videos and post them (thanks YOISM.org), but this video was too good to pass up. It reinforces why I love this candidate. Finally someone eloquent who really gets it!!! He admits some of the inanities in the bible and the illogic. He admits that faith is illogical and imperfect. He lays out why religion should stay out of government. He’s for civil unions and not marriage, but… eh… criticizing that is like not driving the Lamborghini because it only gets 9 …
Y does he think we have just now became a mixed religious country? does he think he did it? it kinda pisses me off because we have been a mixed religious country ever since the bill of rights included frredom of religion in 1787
do u realize that using a letter and number saves character space so excuse me if thats all u have to complain about
You do realize that using a letter and numbers to represent words make you look 60% dumber?
we have been a mixed religious country b4 u showed up! fck, why do u think u have accomplished so much because u r “black”. and ppl who voted 4 him because he is black and “maybe muslim” r just as bad. no1 really wanted to look at the issues
Or perhaps you will now draw a curtain over this discussion by simply stating that we cannot comprehend, as you have done below. I choose a life of unknown knowables, rather than unknown unknowables. There is nothing which states we can know everything, nor that we will even know enough to grow out of our infancy before we destroy ourselves, but I choose a life where that weak fallback can never be used and the only recourse we have is to discuss, analyse, examine and progress.
You yourself linked the realisation of those things we hope for with the vindication of faith, going so far as to say that faith is fact and rationally justified for this very reason. It takes a warped mindset to look at Africa and see a plan, and more so to see a plan that is somehow in support of the ‘trust’ we have in God. Besides which, you cannot simultaneously talk of a plan and free will. Is there a plan by an omnipotent God, or is there free will? They are mutually exclusive domains
What are you talking about Red? Everything has a rational explanation, but it doesn’t mean we know what all of them are. Also while somethings can also go beyond a humans ability to comprehend, it doesn’t mean it goes against reason or logic. It may be apprehended, but somethings are not comprehended and may never be in this world by humans.
Mosesstevens where does God promise health or wealth in this world? Why do you believe that unless you get what you want in this world, where we have free will, can foil what good God intends for us, where bad things can just happen even if you live a relatively good or healthy life, that there is no God. I’m sorry if you have been hurt, as I+everyone else has been in this world have, but is it really Gods fault? What Im asking is how does evil resulting from freewill mean God doesnt exist?
Mosesstevens where does God promise health or wealth in this world? Why do you believe that unless you get what you want in this world, where we have free will, can foil what good God intends for us, where bad things can just happen even if you live a relatively good or healthy life, that there is no God. I’m sorry if you have been hurt, as I+everyone else has been in this world have, but is it really Gods fault? What Im asking is how does evil resulting from freewill mean God doesnt exist?
Dominick7 has stated that faith (or ‘trust’) is rationally sound and based on fact. If ‘faith is the evidence of the things we hope for’, then occurrence of the things we hope for would indeed be vindication of faith. But faith in what? I hope my computer will work tomorrow, which will no doubt vindicate my faith in Dell, but has little relation to God. Surely those who, as many do, trust in God while dying of disease find their prognosis unimproved, must then concede that faith is misplaced
what are u talking about u are for abortions lyer the antichrist is here people and he will be the leader of the new world order
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That trust or faith is based on rationally sound premises, on truth, on what is verifiable. It’s not faith apart from evidence, it’s faith based in fact. The REASON Abraham trusted God was because God already proved to Him He was trustworthy, already gave him a son wen he+his wife were old and ‘as good as dead’, did what He said He would+cannot lie. He already proved to him He loved him+had a good plan for his life. Having those core answers allows one to deal w the real uncertainties in life.
Actually YOU’RE missing the point, because that’s a false dichotomy. OTHER faiths or religions may ask that you have blind faith, like some blind leap into a dark chasm of ignorance..Christian Theism on the other hand asks that you take a rational step into the light of evidence and proof. Faith as defined by the Bible is the evidence of the things we hope for. In other words it doesn’t just comprise knowledge (justified reason), or agreement that that knowledge is correct, but its also trust.
Again your missing the point it isn’t a test of faith if you know something. After you have knowledge of something it is no longer based in faith but facts.
That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Just ask Jim Jones, David Koresh, Andrea Yates, and that lady who cut off her baby’s arms because God told her to how obeying God’s every command worked out.
Nice! Well put. The only problem is that it makes too much sense, so your post will likely be rated badly by the scholars of youtube my friend.
He’s a liberal christian, who has attended a cultic radical black liberation theology based church for 20 years. Liberals deny all the essential teachings of the christian faith so him being an Atheist is not much different.
You’re missing the point. If someone you trust/someone trust worthy told you to walk off a cliff at a certain time, someone who has NEVER directed you wrongly, and cares about you, and you didn’t know a boat would be right under it at the time I tell you to, are they asking you to murder yourself or are they testing you possibly thus not culpable?
No. He was willing to sacrifice him, give him up, and the New Testament says Abraham reasoned that even if God had him kill him He was HAVE to raise Him from the dead because He already promised that he would have a lineage by his son. This is why he said they BOTH would come back down ALIVE. So he understood it as a test because God not only already promised he’d remain alive, and God cannot lie, and also because God doesn’t command but condemns child sacrifice and murder.
But if he was willing he would have to kill him or try to you can’t prove your willingness by saying you would do something or stop befor you do it. To him God wanted his son dead it was not to prove anything when he was going to murder his child.
About the flood God said the whole world was wicked and Him knowing the futures of the children being raised by such an evil generation God knew it would have only consumed+destroyed everything incl. Noah and his family along w the earth. Like a disease sin had to be quarantined otherwise it would have enveloped everything, If there were more righteous people God would have relented as in the case of Sodom. But it was ONLY Noah and his family. And their survival was threatened.
So no, you’re wrong, the point was whether he was WILLING to offer his son as a sacrifice to God, NOT whether he was going to surely murder him or not..ie to commit what is is very important to him to God in a real and challenging way. You take it out of context because you have a bias against it being true. You have a motive to not wanting it to be true for whatever hurt you’ve gone through which is understandable.
He was told to sacrifice his son as a burnt offering. But God didn’t say exactly what kind of sacrifice, if it was spiritual or not. OR that He intended abraham to go through with it. God was testing him to let him demonstrate that he was WILLING to sacrifice his son, ie give up or commit his son to God. Gen 22:5 Abraham said he would come back down with his son after the sacrifice was made. vs 8 he says God will provide the offering. vs 12-13 +15-16 clarify the intent of the test.